another version of an older post
Apr. 20th, 2022 11:36 amI've posted on this specific thought here before, this is just me record-keeping a version I wrote up last night in reply to another comment on Reddit's 3D printing forum.
At time of reposting here, no replies, one upvote.
This comes up every so often and I think about it a lot and here's the thing, and I don't see how I'm wrong, which doesn't mean I'm not:
PLA is a carbon sink.
Stored properly, PLA is a medium-term (centuries long) carbon store.
Everybody talks about PLA being compostable but only under specific conditions and people study ways to make that happen faster (which always involves making more methane, which isn't better) and how in a landfill it lasts hundreds to thousands of years, like any other plastic and so on.
And with most other plastics, that's not good because of the microplastics issue and bio-toxicity and all that, and all those are good and important issues, but PLA is literally used in medical applications because it biodegrades in animals pretty well and relatively quickly, meaning it doesn't bio-accumulate like other plastics do.
So the more I think about it the more I'm I think we don't want it to break down. If anything, we want to stack it in bricks in abandoned salt mines so it last 10,000 years because unlike any fossil-fuel plastic the carbon in PLA comes from the plants from which its made, and all of the carbon in plants - literally all of it..
...comes out of the air.
That's how plants work. That's how they build plant fibres. Nitrogen comes out of the soil, carbon comes out of the air. The majority of the molecular weight of PLA is carbon from plants. (50.4% I think? From memory, not including additives, etc. Just the PLA.)
And every gram of carbon in PLA represents 3.67g of carbon dioxide removed from the air by plants. (Roughly speaking. Typical carbon atomic weight 12, typical oxygen atomic weight 16, CO2 = 12+16+16 = 44, 44/12=3.67.)
So given that, every kilogram of pure PLA is contains 504g of carbon that doesn't just represent but literally is 1.83kg of carbon dioxide already extracted from the atmosphere.
As far as I can tell, if it were made in a carbon-neutral fashion, it would be carbon-negative.
At least, for the medium term. Between hundreds of and a thousand years.
Now obviously, it's not carbon-neutral otherwise, I mean, I have no idea how much oil is used hauling it around, how much carbon gets released in production, how much is released into the atmosphere via electricity to run our printers - we're all hydro here but that's rare and electricity is kinda fungible anyway - and so on.
But there's nothing unique about PLA in that. That part's all true also for wood.
I've asked other people I know what part of this is wrong and nobody's been able to tell me where I'm wrong, and I've done some - I emphasize some - literature search on waste PLA and what I've seen all focuses on the same sorts of things focused on in other plastics, which is to say, how to make it break down faster/better. Treating it for faster/easier composting, all that sort of thing.
And I keep going back to my botany classes and learning about how plants make cellulose and other plant fibres and were those elements come from and I keep thinking...
...what if we don't want to?
At time of reposting here, no replies, one upvote.
This comes up every so often and I think about it a lot and here's the thing, and I don't see how I'm wrong, which doesn't mean I'm not:
PLA is a carbon sink.
Stored properly, PLA is a medium-term (centuries long) carbon store.
Everybody talks about PLA being compostable but only under specific conditions and people study ways to make that happen faster (which always involves making more methane, which isn't better) and how in a landfill it lasts hundreds to thousands of years, like any other plastic and so on.
And with most other plastics, that's not good because of the microplastics issue and bio-toxicity and all that, and all those are good and important issues, but PLA is literally used in medical applications because it biodegrades in animals pretty well and relatively quickly, meaning it doesn't bio-accumulate like other plastics do.
So the more I think about it the more I'm I think we don't want it to break down. If anything, we want to stack it in bricks in abandoned salt mines so it last 10,000 years because unlike any fossil-fuel plastic the carbon in PLA comes from the plants from which its made, and all of the carbon in plants - literally all of it..
...comes out of the air.
That's how plants work. That's how they build plant fibres. Nitrogen comes out of the soil, carbon comes out of the air. The majority of the molecular weight of PLA is carbon from plants. (50.4% I think? From memory, not including additives, etc. Just the PLA.)
And every gram of carbon in PLA represents 3.67g of carbon dioxide removed from the air by plants. (Roughly speaking. Typical carbon atomic weight 12, typical oxygen atomic weight 16, CO2 = 12+16+16 = 44, 44/12=3.67.)
So given that, every kilogram of pure PLA is contains 504g of carbon that doesn't just represent but literally is 1.83kg of carbon dioxide already extracted from the atmosphere.
As far as I can tell, if it were made in a carbon-neutral fashion, it would be carbon-negative.
At least, for the medium term. Between hundreds of and a thousand years.
Now obviously, it's not carbon-neutral otherwise, I mean, I have no idea how much oil is used hauling it around, how much carbon gets released in production, how much is released into the atmosphere via electricity to run our printers - we're all hydro here but that's rare and electricity is kinda fungible anyway - and so on.
But there's nothing unique about PLA in that. That part's all true also for wood.
I've asked other people I know what part of this is wrong and nobody's been able to tell me where I'm wrong, and I've done some - I emphasize some - literature search on waste PLA and what I've seen all focuses on the same sorts of things focused on in other plastics, which is to say, how to make it break down faster/better. Treating it for faster/easier composting, all that sort of thing.
And I keep going back to my botany classes and learning about how plants make cellulose and other plant fibres and were those elements come from and I keep thinking...
...what if we don't want to?