Post-8 commentary

[solarbird]

The lawsuit against 8 on the basis that it is a Constitutional revision rather than amendment - and therefore was not legally passed - has been filed. There is also a legal question of whether marriages made before passage are revoked; supports of Yes on 8 say it does and that this was the intent.

Turns out Mike Murray, a former high-level Microsoftie who I'd even met at some work event, donated $100,000 to Yes on 8. Thanks, asshole.

Andrew Sullivan disagrees with Megan Cardle at The Atlantic about strategy in the same way I would (and have done, with other people).

Dale Carpenter at The Volokh Conspiracy has a long and cogent discussion of the scale of this setback, pointing out in greater detail some of the things I pointed out earlier today, particularly related to the situation in which we lost. A lot of the commentary made by readers to his post is pretty vicious. And as a personal note to everyone who voted for Proposition 8 specifically to "smite the arrogant tyrants in black robes," as one commenter did, fuck you fucking stupid motherfuckers because you fucking smacked down the wrong fucking people to get your fucking revenge, you ignorant, vicious fucks. I hope you die in a fucking fire.

Wintersweet at Spira Mirabilis has an assortment of commentary I pointed to in comments but elevate to here, because hey, why not?

Colleen Lindsay introduces Californians to two of the people whose marriage they decided to undo.

Finally:

What the Christianists want is to destroy your self-esteem and self-worth. It's over the wounded souls of gay people that they construct their politics of fear and division. But we endured centuries of cruelty, and after our first taste of liberation, we faced a plague of devastating proportions. But we came back stronger than ever. For the sake of those who never dreamed we would ever see civil unions, for those who died of the plague, for those whose marriages voer the ages were never recognized but were as real as any backed by law: fight on. Do not lose faith. Law never trumps love. And one day it will echo it.

Personally, I still feel sick to my stomach.

Comments

[poodlgrl.livejournal.com]

He's not the same Murray who was VP of HR for awhile, is he?

[solarbird]

One and the same!

[shadesofmauve]

Megan Cardle's take seems to be quite limited, historically, and reminds me of arguments about so-called 'activist judges.' What they all forget (or intentionally push aside) is that U.S. law is based in large part on case law and precedent. That is part of the checks and balances system as much as the legislatures, and in fact insures that we don't have to legislate for every eventuality, because many will be clarified by the fourts. For persecuted minorities the courts have always provided a way to basic rights (of which marriage is one) - basic rights that wouldn't be achievable through the majority-system nessecary for legislation.

Then again, it's all cover-up for people who think that the majority opinion equals The Right Thing, even when horning in on other people's private lives.

[peakoilchaplain.livejournal.com]

What an awesome userpic! I've been thinking for some time that one of the most amusing things about this election was that Obama got one of his campaign slogans from Bob the Builder :)

[shadesofmauve]

I've seen it around a few places, wish I knew who made it!

I was musing last night about making a "Yes We Can!" version with Obama's head (in hard hat, of course!).

[emrecom.livejournal.com]

One of my oldest friends moved to Cali to marry his guy.

Fuckin P-8 degenerates.

[chipmunck.livejournal.com]

LOL... Thanks for pointing that one out. I never noticed and I have a son who loves Bob. :) hehe. Now I won't think of anything else where I hear Obama say it. ;)

[peakoilchaplain.livejournal.com]

Even better, compare these two quotes:

"We can all look forward with great interest to her future service to Alaska, the Republican Party and our country." - Senator McCain, in reference to Governor Palin

"And you, young Skywalker... We will watch your career with great interest." - Palpatine, speaking to Anakin Skywalker

[chipmunck.livejournal.com]

I was going to ask if a lawsuit can be filed to make the passage unconstitutional. Too bad that something unconstitutional couldn't have been put up for a vote anyways.

God, this makes me sick as well. Of all the States I would have thought California would be more 'progressive' then this.

another thing- how irritating that out of state people put money on the table. That totally pisses me off when out of state folk influence in state situations.

[brigidsblest.livejournal.com]

And as a personal note to everyone who voted for Proposition 8 specifically to "smite the arrogant tyrants in black robes," as one commenter did, fuck you fucking stupid motherfuckers because you fucking smacked down the wrong fucking people to get your fucking revenge, you ignorant, vicious fucks. I hope you die in a fucking fire.

Um. This. Yes, this.

[mhaolain.livejournal.com]

Still depressed, but the hulking up is coming.

Yes, we still can (http://whatcannotbewonmightbecoaxed.blogspot.com/2008/11/yes-we-still-can.html).

Yeah, the hate-infants jack moved us pretty good. I'm down with feeling the hopelessness. Real bad hats out there, make no mistake. But people need to be free, so it ain't over.