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There's a hint - just a hint - of what might be actual good news today, in amidst all the crashing and disasters. Cherish it; hope it grows.

But first, the crashing and disaster. I won't spend any time on the collapse of Iceland's banking system over the weekend; it's everything you don't want to see happening to your economy all at once. You know that end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it scenario I outline, where US government debt gets downgraded and interest rates the government has to pay go through the ceiling? That's Iceland. Right now. Nobody has cash. Nobody has access to credit. Nobody has money. All while:
...the main supermarket can't get imported goods because they have no currency. The shops are half empty. One of the store managers has advised people to start hoarding. We're running out of oil. And winter came last night - about a month early.
And that's what I keep talking about.

I wrote earlier about the dollar rally, and how the CDS auctions are a big part of that. There's also a flight not to quality, but from perceived risk, which right now is being taken to mean Europe, what with headlines like "Germany takes hot seat as Europe falls into the abyss." You want to see some serious currency movement? Here, look at these charts. (As a side note, Brad's picked up on the idea some people including me have been floating - that interbank overnight lending has to start being insured by central banks, at least for the short term, to get things moving again. Hopefully that idea will keep on rising.)

Personally, I'm not convinced the dollar rally will last, for a lot of reasons. In part because Brad Setzer makes a decently good case that we're at 'peak petrodollars,' and that official flows now make up the majority of gross currently flows to the US (check out the private funds graph!), and sooner or later, we'll be out of CDS auctions. Not to mention that the political move against the dollar as the exclusive global reserve currency continues. Oh, and that the Treasury bill is loathed for everything except shelter value.

But I promised some good news, and I meant it. I said this morning I wasn't going to post until l knew about the big CDS auctions today - the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac auctions - and what they meant. Today was the first major test of the CDS market, the $55 trillion shambling hog-shoggoth everyone fears but nobody really knows how to handle. See, CDS are functionally insurance that aren't regulated as insurance, and sales below par trigger calls on CDS issuers to pay the bearer the difference between the par price and the actual sale price. But most people playing the CDS game took out second-teir CDSes of their own, so they would get paid of they had to pay out - and so did those issuers, and on, and on, and on. This is the cascading effect everyone fears. In theory, most of it should cancel out. but nobody knows.

Today's US$500B CDS auction was, arguably, the creme de la crap - the best of the bad. Everyone knew that it wasn't going to sell at par; the question was how far below par it would sell, and, accordingly, how big the trigger would be. A lot of people were worried about the size of that CDS market hit. They were worried about 85¢, or even less, on the dollar.

Instead, you got a range between 91.5¢ and 99.9¢ on the dollar, with overall recovery rates in the 94% range. This is a big fat honkin' deal. It's not so much that the things we know about aren't as bad as we think they are; I assure you, they are bad. But if this holds up, if these recovery rates end up being on the good side of the estimates range, then that CDS monster in the closet - the $55 trillion dollar elder god - might just be something we can survive. Things might not be even worse than we think.

That might be a bit optimistic of me. Certainly it's optimistic for me on these matters as of late. But after the auction news filtered out, lo, the dollar fell a bit against the index, maybe indicating just a little less dollar hoarding, and the TED spread actually fell a little too - not much, and to a still-terrifying 3.69 - but still, that's 26 basis points down from the high. It's not the end of the tunnel; it's not even the light at the end of the tunnel. But it's the first indication that maybe this particular tunnel has stopped getting darker.

Date: 2008-10-07 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silussa.livejournal.com
Could we be seeing the beginning of the end of the Bear market? It certainly seems like there's no optimism left with the analysts.

Date: 2008-10-07 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silussa.livejournal.com
Given how much money they've pumped into the markets, would there be that much of a difference if they DID?

Date: 2008-10-07 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stolen-tea.livejournal.com
Thank you for a gasp of good news.

Date: 2008-10-07 07:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wrog
Me last week (doing taxes and taking my first real look at gains/losses for 2008 -- yes I haven't had much time for finance stuff this year...):
Oh weird. Icelandic Krona has gone from 76 to the dollar something like 90. WTF is up with that?
Foreign Currency Broker Guy back in June:
So, we think the Euro has peaked; forecasts are looking kind of shaky. Now might be a good time take profits on the Norway and Netherlands bonds. Maybe move the funds to Iceland and Canada.
Me back in June:
sounds good!
Foreign Currency Broker Guy today:
so um... we might want to do a bit of Risk Management...
Iceland position is now showing a 33% loss at today's price of 112 to the dollar. On the other hand, it's paying an absolute metric crapload of interest (16%), all I have to is hold for another year and the losses come back, presumably with a bonus since the current dollar rally will be over long before then.

...unless of course the country goes all Road Warrior. Buh.

Oh well, at least Canada is still there.

Date: 2008-10-08 08:00 am (UTC)
wrog: (money)
From: [personal profile] wrog
well, I've got a Swiss Franc position as well. That one's losing too, though not by quite so much.

Hm, now reading the article on Russia bailing them out. A 131/Euro peg means we're only down 15% now; hmm...

Date: 2008-10-07 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravyngyngvar.livejournal.com
"When Too Big To Fail Becomes Too Big To Rescue." I can't be the only one who's searching for a good Titanic reference right now.

As I've said before, I know way too little about economics to grasp much of what you are saying. But I was surprised to see the dollar rising so much compared to the Norwegian krone. It was below 5 some months ago -- almost the lowest it has ever been. Yesterday it was at 6.12 and is apparently above NOK 6.20 to the dollar today. News media blame the falling oil price.

I've also read that since our "Statens banksikringsfond" (state bank security fund?) guarantees accounts of up to 2 million kroner, much higher than the EU, rich people keep salting their money across various Norwegian banks, 2 million per bank.

Date: 2008-10-07 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyonesse.livejournal.com
iceland is interesting -- my icelandic friends all say "well, we had a good summer, the sheep are fat, we'll be fine. i'll miss produce, but hey."

Date: 2008-10-07 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peakoilchaplain.livejournal.com
But after the auction news filtered out, lo, the dollar fell a bit against the index, maybe indicating just a little less dollar hoarding, and the TED spread actually fell a little too - not much, and to a still-terrifying 3.69 - but still, that's 26 basis points down from the high. It's not the end of the tunnel; it's not even the light at the end of the tunnel. But it's the first indication that maybe this particular tunnel has stopped getting darker.

I read this, was slightly cheered, and then went on to read the following in the Economist, and cheer went away again ...

In Europe, an unseemly mishmash of bank rescues and a scramble across the continent to beef-up national deposit-protection schemes have done nothing to solve the paralysis in money markets. Stockmarkets steadied themselves a little, early on Tuesday October 7th, after a series of dramatic falls on Monday. But the overnight dollar London interbank offered rate (LIBOR), the rate that banks are charged for borrowing from each other and other investors, climbed by a heart-stopping 157 basis points to 3.94%.

Date: 2008-10-07 05:22 pm (UTC)
shadesofmauve: (baby)
From: [personal profile] shadesofmauve
Over here on the recommendation of [livejournal.com profile] westrider, mostly to read economics, but also because of the busking/music/art interest. Hi!

Date: 2008-10-07 09:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadesofmauve
At least you'll be dry, right? I've done a few tiny shows in the past year or two, and a little less busking, and if there's a perk it's being out of the weather. :)

I can play in front of anyone, any venue, but singing in front of people makes my knees shake. Good luck to you!

Date: 2008-10-07 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silussa.livejournal.com
The FED is buying commercial paper. Criminy; I'm not sure what to expect next.

Date: 2008-10-07 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silussa.livejournal.com
I think I could understand Martians better at this point. I can only assume the FED is so worried about the credit markets that they are willing to throw money at it and hope it sorts out.

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