Impeach President Bush Now

[solarbird]

Impeach

President

Bush

Now

The part that really says "petulant jackass who doesn't actually give a rat's ass about anything other than power" is the part where he threatens to stop all CIA interrogations of suspects if he doesn't get to torture people. And the "clarity" bullshit has to stop. There's been 50 years of work on understanding, very clearly, what does and does not violate the Geneva conventions on this issue. It's very clear now. The idea that this legalisation of torture effort is some sort of attempt to "clarify" anything is a giant lie. Do not let that abuse of language, history, and American principles stand. It was torture when the Soviets did it; it was torture when the Hussein regime did it; it's torture if we do it. Period.

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[banner.livejournal.com]

Waterboarding doesn't violate any treaties that we're a party too as long as the people it is done to fall outside of the protection of those treaties. Such as terrorists. And while I'm not a big fan of waterboarding, I think it should remain legal to be done to terrorists, but only when higher authorities have approved it, and it is done by experienced interrogators.

When it comes to saving the lives of civilians, and yes even soldiers, from the actions of terrorists and madmen, I have no problems at all with waterboarding or similar techniques that scare the living hell out of those people. Remember the people this treatment is reserved for are murders and party to future murders. They are not soldiers practicing their craft, they're cold blooded killers. How far would you go to save innocents from terrorism? While I don't think I could ever go as far as the terrorists themselves, (nor do I think we as a country should go that far), I think things like waterboarding are just fine.

[avram]

Remember that the people this treatment is reserved for are anyone who looks like a terrorist, or was standing next to someone who looked like a terrorist, or who had some long-standing grudge with a neighbor and got accused of being a terrorist, or who got named at random by someone who was being tortured and was just lying to get the torture to stop.

[banner.livejournal.com]

Ummm, no. The people in our Military are just not that stupid.

[king-chiron.livejournal.com]

Maybe not, but the people in the CIA have proven their incompetence multiple times and they've played a key role in the waterboarding interrogations.

[banner.livejournal.com]

Good point.

[avram]

Try telling that to Maher Arar. Or the Tipton Three. Or Sean Baker.