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No, this isn't a funny entry; instead, it's rather alarming. It's like I've had this deep, deep fear about how things might really work for a very, very long time, and now I've found someone doing a bunch of neurobio to discover that my deep fear was exactly right; that it is literally true that rational thought is not significantly involved, and it's not significantly involved at the biological level. (ETA: Yes, I very much want to see the original study. Also, if you're curious, I've looked up the primary author; he seems to be legitimate, at first glance.)

Crap.
Democrats and Republicans Both Adept at Ignoring Facts, Study Finds
By LiveScience Staff
posted: 24 January 2006
10:03 am ET

Democrats and Republicans alike are adept at making decisions without letting the facts get in the way, a new study shows.

And they get quite a rush from ignoring information that's contrary to their point of view.

Researchers asked staunch party members from both sides to evaluate information that threatened their preferred candidate prior to the 2004 Presidential election. The subjects' brains were monitored while they pondered.

[...]

Then, with their minds made up, brain activity ceased in the areas that deal with negative emotions such as disgust. But activity spiked in the circuits involved in reward, a response similar to what addicts experience when they get a fix, Westen explained.

The study points to a total lack of reason in political decision-making. [Emphasis added]

"None of the circuits involved in conscious reasoning were particularly engaged," Westen said. "Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones."

Notably absent were any increases in activation of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain most associated with reasoning.

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Date: 2006-01-25 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] britzkrieg.livejournal.com
Maybe I'm tired, or blind with rage, but I can't find the URL!

Date: 2006-01-25 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] britzkrieg.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2006-01-25 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waysofseeing.livejournal.com
Anyone who ever was on RvL could have told you that years ago.

Date: 2006-01-25 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spazzkat.livejournal.com
Okay. See this is funny because the first thing I said as well when I heard about this was "Well there's years of RvL logs that certainly back this up."

Date: 2006-01-25 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
Waaaait a minute. You were on RvL?

I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
You just went from "random person who added me but never commented so I didn't know who you were" to "OMG PM ALERT".

Re: I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waysofseeing.livejournal.com
Now hurry up and get that test plan done. I've got devs to annoy.

Re: I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
My last posting at Borg was PM, not test monkey.

To prove I still have teh uber skillz, I will now ignore you and go back to surfing random internet sites.

Re: I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waysofseeing.livejournal.com
And this is different...how?

Re: I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
I got paid more as a PM.

Don't ask me why. I did *less*.

Re: I HAVE YOU NOW

Date: 2006-01-25 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
Most of the IHVs I dealt with went running back to their companies.

Weenies.

Date: 2006-01-25 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firni.livejournal.com
I have that walk, too.

Date: 2006-01-25 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistwolf.livejournal.com
Shared this with Rosie, who is sharing it with her work. It's scarey stuff.

Walk:


Date: 2006-01-25 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cafiorello.livejournal.com
Not surprising at all, since basically ALL decision making is like this on a neurobiological level. Humans are less rational animals than rationalizing animals.

Cathy

Date: 2006-01-25 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chirik.livejournal.com
I wonder if this may be a caching system to speed up decision making in the future? Once a decision has been reached, the brain remembers that and ignores other information, thus saving effort in the future.

Which also could explain ADD/ADHD ... what if that system doesn't work? Everything needs to be evaluation and considered, and thus highly distractable by anything that is happening.

Totally random thought that occured while driving to Santa Cruz.

Date: 2006-01-25 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cafiorello.livejournal.com
Probably, yes. Also the emotional valence thing is very important when dealing with things like "snake!" instead of stopping to reason it out every time.

ADHD is more like they *don't* register the memory, so can't do it again the next time. They don't learn from the consequences as easily as normal.

People who don't have the emotional valence piece (just have rational ability) are actually quite impaired. They have trouble deciding *anything*.

Cathy

Date: 2006-01-25 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chirik.livejournal.com
Yes, I know.

Just ask anyone who knows me. Almost any decision - even which route to take home from work, sometimes - can take me a long time to decide.

Every decision I need to make, I spend time thinking about it.

Date: 2006-01-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poodlgrl.livejournal.com
Not sure why this is alarming - this behavior seems profoundly human. The only reasonable course of action is to adjust your expectations.

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