solarbird: (molly-content)
[personal profile] solarbird
(Gakked from a comment I made to a BSG-topic post linked to on 13th Colony)

I have something that's not so much a "theory" as speculation.

The original series is a combination of history and mythology for the new series. As the original series went on, they started getting heavily into some weird variants on Mormon mysticism, and actually encountered some very high-powered (godlike) beings who were playing out conflicts on higher levels, but using the humans (and possibly the Cylons) as part of that contest. (Not a unique idea, but go with me here. Also, it's hinted somewhere that the first Imperious Leader of the Cylons may have been an agent of one of these beings. That's pretty thin on the ground, but it's in there.)

It's possible we're seeing some of the first hints of the new version of that here. The Cylons have a religion. They had to come up with it somewhere. I suggest that perhaps as they left known Colonial space, they found something - or more correctly, perhaps, something found them.

And maybe that "something" calls itself, at least to the Cylons, the one true God.

If all that is true, then it's entirely possible that Baltar!Six really is a direct agent of that entity, whatever it is. Not a Cylon at all, but an extension of the same power that has been influencing the Cylons since they left the Colonies after the (First) Cylon War.

This would explain several things. It would explain why she's given Baltar data about Cylon culture - correct data - that Baltar didn't already know and had no way of knowing, helping rule out the "he's just nuts" theory.

Also, and more interestingly (to me): in the cell sequence episode before last, where suddenly Six goes all Starbuck on Baltar and tells him he's crazy, we see parts of that scene from an external-observer standpoint. Note that when Six moves the chair she was sitting on, the external-observer standpoint shows the chair as having moved. That's physical impact. And it was shot and framed really carefully, so I don't think it was an accident.

I don't think that's something the Cylons can do. I don't think either the chip-in-the-head or the he's-just-crazy theories cover moving a chair, unless we're being lied to in the photography and Baltar moved it himself. I wouldn't think that was fair game. So I begin to think that we're heading into that phase of the plot, and she might actually be an "angel" of this Cylon god.

Date: 2005-09-11 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dpawtows.livejournal.com
Rather than "chip-in-the-head", she could be a swarm of nanites in his bloodstream, of a type sufficiently stealthed that they don't show up on Galactica's museum-piece scanners. And magi-tech Hollywood nanites _could_ swarm out of Baltar's body and move a chair.
Heck. An entity or civilization with nanotech *that* advanced really is at a Godlike level.

Date: 2005-09-11 09:50 am (UTC)
wrog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] wrog
she could be a swarm of nanites in his bloodstream
No.

(translation: if anything even close to that turns out to be the explanation I stop watching this show and throw something against the wall. well, okay, I'll probably keep watching it anyway (cf. Space:1999 season 2) but, urgh...)

Date: 2005-09-11 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] backrubbear.livejournal.com
I find it just as likely that he's a cylon and that's the way his "quiet programming" is manifesting.

Date: 2005-09-12 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] backrubbear.livejournal.com
Yes, he's a traitor. However, that doesn't mean that he isn't a cylon.

It was mentioned earlier when talking about Sharon about how she's wishy-washy, but she pulls through in the end. I find it likely that they have some need of someone with his personality traits.

But I'd agree with you. There's significance with the chair. I may be proven quite wrong. :-)

Date: 2005-09-12 05:00 am (UTC)
wrog: (howitzer)
From: [personal profile] wrog
if he were a Cylon, there would never have been any need for Caprica!Six to seduce him in the first place (he had access to the defense mainframe; end of story), and likewise for any of the ongoing stuff to keep him on the right path.

Keep in mind when they needed to have sleeper-Sharon do stuff, she just did it, no questions asked, no need to convince her of anything -- if anything she was determined not to do anything to harm Adam etc, but when the programming took over, none of that mattered (unless we're to draw conclusions from her having aimed for the stomach rather than the head or the chest)

Date: 2005-09-12 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] backrubbear.livejournal.com
Yet, their requirements for his behavior may require him to think he's human. This might mean that he has to have a bit more "free will" than one who's plugged into their collective may have.

We shall know soon one way or the other. :-)

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