Twelve models of Cylon (Accidental X-post from 13th_colony)

[solarbird]

I accidentally posted this here instead of to 13th_colony so I'm editing and leaving it here. La!

Right now, I'm thinking one of two things must be true:

1. The entire Galactica escape is being more or less stage-managed by the Cylons, or,
2. Galactica!6 is a traitor.

This is simply because Galactica!Six has been too useful in actually helping the fleet escape. Either that's her mission (in which case it's option 1), or it isn't, and, well.

The end of the miniseries implies that they're serious about destroying the rest of humanity. So that tends to make me doubt nr. 1. And yet...

So my partner and I were talking about this the other day (we're both totally into this show now ^_^ ) and I brought up the question:

"There are twelve models of Cylon. What else are there twelve of?"

Anna said, "Colonies." (And, of course, Tribes of Israel, but that's implicit.) And that's true. But why would Cylons pattern after that after the revolution? Dramatically it doesn't ring true to either of us. So what else are there twelve of?

Disciples.

Are they making that parallel? Speaking from the Cylon standpoint, is G!Six a Judas?

I don't think it's too much of a stretch. We know the Cylons are monothestic; they're religiously expansionist; they (as represented by G!Six) seem to dislike the pantheistic Colonial religion a lot; a lot of Galactica!Six's rhetoric maps well to Abrahamic religions in general and Christianity in particular (tho' there's just enough linguistic leeway to map either to Christianity or Islam). It seems clear that a lot of the show is about religious conflict. (Yes, I'm aware of the original 70s show's Mormon roots.)

We also know she's worked against the declared Cylon cause; is it for personal pleasure (i.e., Mr. Nice Gaius)?

And sure, as far as the stage-management theory, I suppose they could be following Galactica around to find Earth - meaning they believe in that too - but it seems... out of step with the stated reasons for chasing the survivors as given in the miniseries, which is to say, pre-emption of revenge. Earth doesn't know about any of this, even assuming Earth actually exists in this universe - it can't care about what it doesn't even know about.

A couple of arguments against the traitor theory are: 1. Caprica!Boomer and Helo; why keep him alive? There are more efficient ways to chase down holed-up survivors. Take that reason away, and you've got a lot of parallels between Caprica!Boomer's and Galactica!six's activities. But is that just methodology, and not motive? Did they just decide to use a human to hunt humans there? I dunno! 2. If they have data that says Earth is real and if they have reason to think that terran humans will eventually come kick their asses, then the stage-manage-and-follow plan works out fine. But... I have a hard time buying into that.

So I'm thinking Galactica!Six is probably a traitor. She loves Baltar because she's just as sociopathic as Baltar. Plus, she's a religious fanatic! I can't wait to see how that turns out. ^_^

Also, Anna and I also both have decided Starbuck is t3h h0tness, and are also! both hoping that Boomer pulls a Captain Scarlet. We think that'd rule. From orbit. With 50-Ktonne nuclear devices. We're for it. ^_^

Anyway! Hiya!

Comments

[kensaro.livejournal.com]

Well, the real question is of course is what the deal is with Gaius, is he merely delusional? Is he implanted with a cylon device? Or is he a cylon himself? Or is he religious?
The second one seems the least likely, the last one would be a bit of a cop-out.

[solarbird]

I dislike the idea that he's a Cylon. He's too public, he's too well known, etc. He is, however, a mind the Cylons can appreciate.

And I don't believe his deathbed conversion particularly much either. It won't stick. He'll play it, but he won't believe it.

[backrubbear.livejournal.com]

I'm rather behind in my episodes of BG.

However, I'm rather amused that G!Six sounds a bit too much like Jesus. :-)

[solarbird]

GENIUS!

[aerialscribe.livejournal.com]

What about the 13th (missing) colony though? If we follow the logic of twelves then would this mean there is a 13th type of cylon? Like a super cylon? Hee.

Hey, so are you guys taping the broadcasts, or capturing them on DVD or...uh...whatever ?

[solarbird]

They're mostly sitting on our TiVo. We might dub them down to tape too. They are pretty good. ^_^

[aerialscribe.livejournal.com]

I miss the days of coming to visit and catch up on all my missed Sci-Fi shows. (Says the idiot who still does not own a TV).

And now y'all are so damn far away (Says the dork who still doesn't own a car).

(At least I am good for the environment. :-)

[solarbird]

One of our requirements for a house - one of the few I refused to give up - was good bus service. We mostly don't drive, still!

Are you on the mafia list?

[aerialscribe.livejournal.com]

I don't know what the mafia list is. I am sooooo ignorant.
And yes, I do realize that you have bus service, but I rather suspect it's a solid 40+ minutes from where I live and that night service is probably pretty poor....although I could be wrong about that?

[solarbird]

Hm. it does get a bit spotty at night. And I'm not sure about the time. But we're served by the 522 and the 372. There're a couple of other busses, too, but they're lame commuter busses. Those are the ones that run all day.

Email me about the mafia list. I'd mail you but I'm not sure I have a current email address. Yes, that's lame.

[banner.livejournal.com]

The disciples thing sounds off. There weren't 12, there were 13, Judas being the 13th and the reason that 13 is an unlucky number. If they were going for that, they'd had to have 13 models. Then again what the writers in Hollywood know of christianity wouldn't even fill the world's smallest book, so I guess that could be it and they just got it wrong yet again.

My suspicion with Gaius (and mind you I haven't watched most of the series) is that he has other gone around the bend completely, or has been infected by some kind of 'mind virus' from her. I suspect that for some reason or other that she is not with the mainstream Cylon program and has her own plans and desires.

Have to admit that some of the dialogue and acting has been really excellent. I usually avoid Sci-Fi channel stuff cause it's 99 percent dreck and horror (and I hate both), seems like they actually did a decent job on this one.

er...

[solarbird]

The disciples thing sounds off. There weren't 12, there were 13, Judas being the 13th
Only if you count Mary Magdeline, who probably should be, but usually isn't. And the canonical is 12 plus Jesus, who I don't think you can count as a disciple.

I suspect that for some reason or other that she is not with the mainstream Cylon program and has her own plans and desires.
There's a lot of talk about this going on over on 13th_colony, too. Everybody has theories and all the people from the UK are dancing around keeping their mouths SHUT because no spoilers are allowed past US-aired episodes. ^_^

And I share your surprise at the ability of the Skiffy Channel to do something well. This is most excellent so far, and I've just been stunned. And pleased! Very pleased. But also stunned. "Wow, it's by Skiffy, and it's not crap!" ^_^

[kensaro.livejournal.com]

Actually, as I recall the only reason there were 13 is because Judas got replaced after he killed himself, by, if I'm not mistaken, Marcus (It's one of the ones that went and wrote a gospell, dont pin me on the exact name.)