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Okay, fine, this must be kinda genius if it can make me giggle at this point.

To the surprise of no one, the White House did explicitly endorse torture, tho' they used the SS-coined "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" label instead. The surprising thing is that apparently it's on paper. How lovely.

This commentary on the strategies against the anti-marriage initiative in California has really depressing commentary. The Mormon Church has thrown in heavily for the measure, and I hear from people I know in California that airtime is now overwhelmingly filled with anti-marriage commercials and ads saying that Proposition 8 must be passed to "protect our families" and all that. Governor Schwarzenegger opposes the measure, but isn't actually doing anything to oppose it other than making the linked statement. Unsurprisingly, Governor and candidate for Vice-President Sarah Palin endorses a Federal amendment against marriage for GBLT couples. You can donate here to the pro-marriage/anti-Proposition 8 side if you want.

The commentary here, in response to Michelle Malkin's condemnation of General Colin Powell's endorsement of Senator Obama for president, are no fun either. Meanwhile, you have the Movement Conservatives building their psychological case for "betrayal" as cause of losing this election, as pretty much all indications say they will. That's a real bad meme. (And yes, I hate linking to DailyKOS; think of it as a link to The Whiskey Bar, since that is a post by that ex-blog's writer, billmon, who I liked to read back in the day.) As part of that, you see Republican Rep. Bachmann calling for Anti-American activities investigations and prosecutions, and Governor Sarah Palin renewing the 2004-era "real America" vs. "traitors" memetics, only this time on the losing side.

As a metacommentary on all of this, I strongly recommend reading this entry at Overcoming Bias: Ends Don't Justify Means. It's not as long as the scrollbar indicates, there are just a lot of comments. This is an explanation of the usefulness of rationality rolled up into a short blog post, and it's that rationality which has almost entirely been thrown overboard in American political culture.

Date: 2008-10-20 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundivagant.livejournal.com
There's at least one silver lining to the many clouds you pointed out: The negative response to Michelle Bachmann's newfound McCarthyist tone is pretty overwhelming (http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/31261989.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU). It takes a special breed of idiot to say something so brazenly un-American that your opponent rakes in over half a million dollars in donations overnight.

Date: 2008-10-20 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llachglin.livejournal.com
Remember the 1990s militia movement, and Tim McVeigh? I figure that's a small taste of what's coming if Obama wins, considering that Clinton was a center-right white guy and that was still enough to freak them out. As then, elected conservatives will make excuses for the racists and terrorists in their camp, and contribute to the cause by de-legitimizing government and Democrats in particular.

Date: 2008-10-20 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundivagant.livejournal.com
I don't think it will; at least, not in mainstream American culture. I agree with [livejournal.com profile] llachglin about a revival of the fringe-right militia movement, but I'm not convinced that it'll be tied to (or caused by) comments from people like her. Mainly I think the Republican party will fracture if the Democrats win the Presidency, and I'd bet on people like Bachmann becoming part of a much more right-wing movement than even the Bush Reich -- a bit like Pat Buchanan in the 1990s, without the prospect of becoming MSNBC's running political joke.

GAZEBO

Date: 2008-10-21 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blues-kun.livejournal.com
KUCINICH: IM A BARD

I lol'd.

Rocks fall, everyone dies.

Date: 2008-10-21 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ypawtows.livejournal.com
Oh, thank you... gonna re-post that link.

XD

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