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solarbirdI've got people I know on Facebook endorsing this:
Connecticut to ban gun sales to 'no fly' listers
They shouldn't.
I'm not even here to argue about gun rights. I'm here to argue about process of law.
The "no-fly" list is lawless. There's no real way to know you're on it, you're not told, you can't know why you're on it, there's no judicial process, there's no right to confront accusers, there's no appeal, there's no way off unless you Know Someone and maybe not even then; it is the opposite of law.
The inevitable creeping expansion of this intrinsically abusive system is one of the reasons I've been fighting this system since it was instituted.
I expect Mr. Trump's supporters will love it, because it's without law.
Do not play the "Now it's doing something I want done, so that makes it okay" game. THAT NEVER ENDS WELL. JUST LOOK AT THE LAST 15 YEARS FOR HOW WELL THAT GOES.
This is not a positive step for any agenda other than authoritarianism. This must be fought, not embraced - even if it's being used for something you happen to like. This time.
Connecticut to ban gun sales to 'no fly' listers
They shouldn't.
I'm not even here to argue about gun rights. I'm here to argue about process of law.
The "no-fly" list is lawless. There's no real way to know you're on it, you're not told, you can't know why you're on it, there's no judicial process, there's no right to confront accusers, there's no appeal, there's no way off unless you Know Someone and maybe not even then; it is the opposite of law.
The inevitable creeping expansion of this intrinsically abusive system is one of the reasons I've been fighting this system since it was instituted.
I expect Mr. Trump's supporters will love it, because it's without law.
Do not play the "Now it's doing something I want done, so that makes it okay" game. THAT NEVER ENDS WELL. JUST LOOK AT THE LAST 15 YEARS FOR HOW WELL THAT GOES.
This is not a positive step for any agenda other than authoritarianism. This must be fought, not embraced - even if it's being used for something you happen to like. This time.
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Date: 2015-12-10 08:51 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2015-12-10 11:33 pm (UTC)That's when I knew this shit was over. That's when I became officially done with whole fleets of things.
I don't see a change in that crowd. Maybe in the younger Bernie supporters, there's some hope, but nothing in the over-35s. "It's Fine When We Do It" tribalism is still the sum total of American politics.
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Date: 2015-12-11 09:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-12-11 03:08 pm (UTC)Violation of presumption of innocence.
How many of these folks even been arrested, much less convicted of anything?
If they're dangerous enough to deny guns to, why *haven't* they been arrested?
This is not law enforcement. This is not making the US safe. This is politicians and bureaucrats doing something easy which they think they can get away with, instead of knuckling down and actually doing their job.
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Date: 2015-12-11 03:12 pm (UTC)Addendum: Samuel Huntington, Roger Sherman, Oliver Wolcott, and William Williams would be in the Connecticut legislature beating those responsible about the heads and shoulders with their canes.
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Date: 2015-12-11 05:04 pm (UTC)