Okay, so I disagree and want to see the stuff which I figured you had so I could read it. That's playing a game? I would like to point out your continual theme of 'torture states (fill in the blank)'.

I'm not of the opinion that 'it's okay for us but no one else' either. I'm curious as to if waterboarding then is the same as it is now.

And I was saying that if you take away all the tools of intelligence (which you have agreed with in at least once case, getting all upset over intelligence gathering of calls that go outside the country) don't be surprised if people reach for tools you like even less.

And excuse me for entering into a conversation that I would never have entered into if I wasn't honestly interesting in hearing more than your (recent) over the top rhetoric in order to see if you might have a point that would convince me. I told you why I feel the way I do. I asked for more information to consider.

I could say more, but what's the point? I will read the links you put here in response, and I will not bother you again.