Impeach President Bush Now

[solarbird]

Impeach

President

Bush

Now

The part that really says "petulant jackass who doesn't actually give a rat's ass about anything other than power" is the part where he threatens to stop all CIA interrogations of suspects if he doesn't get to torture people. And the "clarity" bullshit has to stop. There's been 50 years of work on understanding, very clearly, what does and does not violate the Geneva conventions on this issue. It's very clear now. The idea that this legalisation of torture effort is some sort of attempt to "clarify" anything is a giant lie. Do not let that abuse of language, history, and American principles stand. It was torture when the Soviets did it; it was torture when the Hussein regime did it; it's torture if we do it. Period.

Comments

[juliansinger.livejournal.com]

I'm confused. Do you mean to say that you believe that they can't do waterboarding and other such techniques in Guantanamo Bay? Or do you mean they can't do them for other people "arrested" in the "war on terror"? Or... well, anyway, what do you mean?

[banner.livejournal.com]

Water Boarding has been banned. That is no longer what they're talking about. Now they're going on about sleep deprevation, slapping (not beating) a prisoner or grabbing their shirt. Playing loud music (rock and roll), threatening them, humilating them (verbally), lying to them, verbally abusing them.

You know, the kinds of things frats do during initiations.

[juliansinger.livejournal.com]

OK. See, I thought that it hadn't specifically been banned yet. I in fact thought that the recent brou-ha-ha was partially about the limits of interrogation.

Could you point me to a specific article that talks about what the current limits are? I'd appreciate it.

(That said, I do stand by the part where even supposedly "minor stuff" can lead to permanent impairment. Grabbing and shaking someone, particularly if they're already impaired, can lead to permanent brain damage and death. Sleep deprivation has been known to lead to psychotic breaks. And so on. It really does not compare to fraternity initiations.)