Feb. 19th, 2017

solarbird: (korra-on-the-air)
The neofascists of 8chan loved the Trump speech, generally rating it as his second best, some his third. (4chan doesn't seem to have paid much attention and doesn't seem to care.) Fundamentally, it resonated well with his somewhat-dispirited white supremacist/authoritarian base.

Highlights for them included:
  • attacks on the press (they themselves dragged out "lugenpresse" - the Nazi-era term meaning "lying press" - again; Examples: "Pretty smart of Trump to bring out those quotes from old American Presidents about the Lügenpresse," "Is fake news the new luggenpresse?" others)
     
  • calls to restrict immigration (which they specifically interpret approvingly as ethnically based)
     
  • the Sweden reference (they consider Sweden the most "cucked" of European nations, but other than that, I don't know what this is about)
     
  • the "Syrian safe zone" reference (which in their lexicon means "White America" somehow? Something else to figure out)
     
A number have decided that when Trump says "drain the swamp" he's referring to "the International Jew," and that - as with them - "Global Elite" also means "International Jew." A few are showing relative restraint, such as this guy (yes, this is what passes for restraint):

I don't think it's a dogwhistle, but if he's educated on the terms; he may just end up being the saviour of the white race.

They're making a lot of comparisons to Trump and Hitler, but mean it as a good thing - while at the same time laughing at the press for making the same comparison. You're also seeing a bit of commentary akin to David Duke's line that comparing Trump to Hitler makes people more receptive to neofascism and neo-Nazi action.

Despite that, they don't see this as a Nuremburg Rally moment yet - just a promising lead-in - to wit, these examples:

get ready, he hasn't even come close to delivering his Nuremberg just yet. When he does, it will be glorious and we will witness it.

God damn, I don't think I could handle a real Trump Nuremburg rally. This was just Florida and I'm already preheating my oven.

tfw these rallies will get more and more authoritharian and will go full nuremberg once he declares martial law.

21st Century Nuremberg rallies? As if that were a bad thing…

Fundamentally, Mr. Trump has re-energised his neo-Nazi/anti-semetic/authoritarian base with this speech. I can't know whether that was his intent, but it was definitely the effect.
solarbird: (korra-on-the-air)
I have no words for how angry I am right now, or how revolted.

So turns out Milo Yiannopoulos - who gets called a "conservative provocateur," who says women shouldn't be allowed to drive, who thinks women should be kept out of STEM, who thinks if women don't like violent harassment online that they should just log off, and who is SPECIFICALLY AND ACTUALLY A WHITE SUPREMACIST, but who is nonetheless treated like Someone Who Should Be Heard -

Turns out? He's pro-pederasty. Yeah, he thinks fucking 13-year-olds is (excuse me: can be) fine and that this "consent" nonsense is just arbitrary and oppressive. Particularly, I guess, when it comes to 13-year-olds.

YOU THINK I'M MAKING THIS UP? VIDEO. SECOND SOURCE. THIRD SOURCE (tho' I haven't listened to that version myself, the first link is the relevant section excerpted).

Can't wait 'till next next appearance on Bill Maher and Simon & Schuster extending his book contact, can you? Are you looking forward to his CPAC keynote speech this year? I SURE AM.

He's a sadist, and all of his fans are vicious, drooling monsters, and all of this was known already, but now he's also pro-pederast, in his own words.

And if that is finally enough to get him de-platformed, do not fucking forget, for one goddamn minute - not one - that being an overt white-supremacist and overtly savage misogynist and actual literal fascist...

...wasn't enough. It took this.

[Transcription mine. Some incidental anti-black racism, misogyny, and transphobia is elided intentionally]

MILO: We get hung upon on this kind of, this child abuse stuff, to the point where we're heavily policing even relationships between consenting adults... [interrupted] [aside, joking about a picture put up in the video feed]

HOST: The whole consent thing, for me, is, it's not this black and white thing that people try to paint it.

MILO: No, it isn't.

HOST: Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult? Probably. But I was also a 13 year old. I hung around with 13-year-old guys when I was, you know, 13, and there were some of them that still thought girls were fuckin' icky at 13. Like not many, but they were just coming out of that phase... the reason that these age of consent laws exist, is that we have to set some kind of barometer here...

MILO: The law is probably about right... but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age... people who are sexually active younger... I think it particularly happens in the gay world, by the way. And in many cases, actually, those relationships with older - and this is one of those, this is sort of stu-, this is why this is one of those reasons I hate the left, you know, I meant this sort of stupid, one size fits all policing of culture, this arbitrary - I'll be quick - this arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys, you know, understandings that many of us have of the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex, and actually in the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of a rock, where they can't speak to their parents - some of those relationships are the most [interrupted]

HOST: It's funny because ... you gave me a few videos to watch to brush up on my Milo-isms, and one of the things that you said in one of these clips is that transgenderism is the new frontier of, you know, rights - my wording is bad here, but - the new frontier of social progress, and the next thing in line is going to be pedophilia, and yet here you are talkin' about how, look, some of these kids who get diddled by these priests, I mean, it's a good thing for them, they're getting this love, now they are also gettin' dick...

MILO: You're misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature; pedophilia is attraction to children, to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don't have functioning sex organs yet, who have not gone through puberty, who are too young to be able to understand the way their body works. That is not what we're talking about.

That's assuming even this does it. I'm not taking bets.

ETA: MY GODS, THERE'S MORE. Completely different interview. Watch Milo insist that everybody lusts after 14, 15-year-olds. Host says no, they're kids, Milo says he's lying.

This is bog standard molester logic. (Also, not incidentally, rapist logic.) Everybody does it, or would if they could, and you're lying if you say you don't want to. Bog standard.

NICE HERO YOU'VE GOT THERE, FASCISTS.

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