solarbird: (Lecturing)
[personal profile] solarbird
I think it's an appropriate time to remind any actual conservatives out there that the last thing to make Marxism really popular - I mean, actually, legitimately popular - in the US? Fascism.

I mean it. Seriously. Actual fascism - and all it entails - managed to turn a rampaging monster like Stalin into our pal "Uncle Joe." That ... that took a lot.

So when you're thinking about exactly how hard should you hold onto your reflexive alliance with white supremacists and neofascists like Bannon and Milo, think about that history. Think about it real hard.

Because right now, you've got a whole generation of people who have grown up being told that online death and rape threats and doxxing, and systematic harassment, is just something they should deal with. Conservatives have been saying all that is just Free Speech, and embracing the abuse organisers and agreeing that the solution is that women should "just log off." They don't even bother addressing people of colour.

Like you can fucking log off. That's saying, "stop being in society." That's "hide thyself in a nunnery." That's "give in," that's "go die," that's "accept being absolutely without value to us." It's the opposite of an answer - it's support for the abusers.

Meanwhile, at the same time, and in response to this same situation, the so-called "liberal" side of things has been giving fuck and all of a response, with occasional dishwatery tsk-tsk statements and a lot of hand-writing about violating the rights of people who are literally trying to organise ethnic cleansing.

On the other hand, the Marxists were out way in front, talking about this in the context of economic politics, racial politics, and how fascism is the natural end-state of late-stage capitalism. Who is on the ground fighting the fascists? The antifa (anti-fascist) movement, which while not by any means universally Marxist, is generally very left.

When Richard Spencer - who has personally published articles supporting genocide - got oh-so-deservedly punched in the face on camera, who cheered? Everybody who has been targeted - almost all the women and a decent number of men of an entire generation, a lot of women of all generations, and a decent number of other men besides.

And, of these political factions, which said "about FUCKING time DO MORE OF THAT" and who, by contrast, lectured about how you have to have polite and respectful discussion with people who are literally planning your mass murder?

Conservatives, and mainstream liberals, you want a roadmap to actual popular Marxism? Guess what: you don't need a fucking roadmap. You've already built the road.

An actual Marxist comments:

Date: 2017-02-05 05:38 am (UTC)
vostoklake: (commie)
From: [personal profile] vostoklake
"the Marxists were out way in front, talking about this in the context of economic politics, racial politics, and how fascism is the natural end-state of late-stage capitalism..."

Hmmm? I hadn't heard that last formulation myself. The "Marxist-Leninist" (Stalinist or Maoist) tendencies would argue that fascism is simply monopoly capitalism with the gloves taken off; whereas the more classical Marxists (like myself) would argue that it's a reactionary mass movement which can take advantage when capitalism goes into crisis but there's no radical movement able to challenge capitalism. Walter Benjamin also suggested that fascism is aesthetics turned into politics: it gives the illusion of "everything changing" while keeping actual relations of power intact. Anyway...

If only all Marxists were supporting the anti-fa, punching Nazis, etc. Far too many of them are what I call "conservative leftists", who are so obsessed with 30 years of fighting Clinton/Obama/Clinton neoliberalism that they consistently downplayed the threat of Trump, lined up behind the pro-Putin candidacy of Jill Stein, and are now trying to throw the antifa under the bus, claiming that punching Spencer and getting Milo shut down makes them more popular.
Louis Proyect (google him) is a good example of this tendency.

Re: An actual Marxist comments:

Date: 2017-02-05 09:00 am (UTC)
julian: Picture of Julian Street. (Default)
From: [personal profile] julian
I saw a lot of the anti-Clinton, pro-Stein folks during the election.

I'm pretty sure most of the folks saying the antifas are making Milo look good/seem vaguely reasonable are different people, but I'm entirely willing to acccept Vost and I are reading different people.

Re: An actual Marxist comments:

Date: 2017-02-06 07:41 am (UTC)
numb3r_5ev3n: Smith, from the Matrix comic "Butterfly" by Dave Gibbons (Default)
From: [personal profile] numb3r_5ev3n
A person I generally respect a lot on Tumblr is using that argument right now, which is really depressing. I'm trying to counter with as much 'IT'S OK TO PUNCH SOMEONE WHO IS CALLING FOR THE EXTERMINATION OF ENTIRE GROUPS OF PEOPLE' as possible.

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Date: 2017-02-06 12:27 am (UTC)
enotsola: (Default)
From: [personal profile] enotsola
https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/827239243214827520

I think this probably says a lot. The fact that negative comments get "you're a jew, aren't you?" responses pretty much sums it up as well.

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Date: 2017-02-06 07:39 am (UTC)
numb3r_5ev3n: Smith, from the Matrix comic "Butterfly" by Dave Gibbons (Default)
From: [personal profile] numb3r_5ev3n
Yeah. Anyone who responds like that shouldn't be surprised if the reaction isn't a windup followed by a right-cross to the jaw.

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